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No. 508142

Are we really living in an era where a schizo rapper engaged to a whore is a possible candidate for the leader of the free world?

No.508145

I'd argue it is the free world exactly because he has the freedom to do that.
But I do really hate that name recognition is apparently the best way to get people to come out and vote.
Like the majority of joke candidates though, he won't be on the ballot in enough states to to be a real candidate.

No.508147

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Musk will be vice

No.508161

Kanye 2020!

No.508162

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>>508145
You might not be old enough to remember 2015.

But I do, and I remember literally every media outlet treating Trump with 0 respect as a joke candidate like Harambe.

No.508163

>>508162
The difference is that 2015 was a year before the election. Kanye is making his debut just a few months before with little chance of even getting up on the debate stage. He's even running as an independent, of which none have ever won an election in US history.

No.508164

>>508162
to be fair, so did most republicans and their media outlets until he won 1 state in the primary
and he really has said a lot of outlandish shit, like he had plans for a new public healthcare reform, immigration reform, etc. that has all never come to fruit because they don't exist
the duplicity of them all acting like he was great the moment they realized he had a chance of winning is something I'll never understand, but it was obvious which ever party got an 'anti-establishment' candidate to the polls would win
he managed to win mostly because christy, cruz, rubio etc. are so absorbed by the party views they may as well be the same person so they had their votes divided up between them
And the other weird reality is he's way further left than most the american repub party (at the federal level at least, most state repub parties are surprisingly far left).

but the reality is without the backing of a party, you really are a joke candidate and the big players of that party ate each other up while he feasted on the scraps

No.508165

>>508164
1) He did shut down immigration, even if he used COVID as an excuse

2) He did start building the wall

3) He did reform healthcare by removing the cruel law that punishes poor people $600 a year for not having health insurance (which they can't afford to begin with)

Immigration is one of the most harmful things by far to workers. The more you increase the labor supply, the lower wages will be, the less job security you will have, and the higher the cost of housing will be

Immigration = Great for rich business owners/employers

Immigration = Terrible for workers

No.508166

>>508165
they stopped nonimmigrant visas…

No.508171

>>508165
Most people who couldn't afford the mandate were eligible for hardship exemptions, granted I do think escalating them from 100 to 700 was dumb and I'm glad they stopped it. I think that was mostly there to try and trap the kind of people who just use the ER for everything. And at 300 a for even the cheapest health insurance for most people over 40, that's a lot of people.
Then again though poor and stressed people often file their taxes poorly and lose a lot of money off that anyways. Like I know my aunt paid it, but she's also going on 50 and still paying off her student loans, but I know plenty of struggling people that didn't pay it.

I really do wish the fed and even states would do more to publicize important financial information, especially with the internet, I think it's kind of appalling that the government website for your annual free credit reports is buried under trap links on most search engines. They do a really good job of making poor people stay bad with money.

No.508174

>>508171
Being poor does not correlate with bad financial decisions.

There is poor people who are infinitely better with money than rich people.

No.508215

>>508174
>Being poor does not correlate with bad financial decisions.

Kek, it literally does, that's one of the reasons why most of the billionaires are self-made and most of people will be in the four quartiles of income.

No.508216

>>508215
No it doesn't.

If you don't have money or privilege to begin with you can only wage-slave, at least in America where you would not be able to afford or get transportation to higher education.

And this wage-slaving would afford you absolutely no extra money to invest in anything but lottery tickets.

No.508217

>>508215
>most of people will be in the four quartiles of income.
uhh are there more than four quartiles?

No.508220

Jeff Bezos made 13 billion dollars yesterday on top of what he already has and how is that fair? If I am lucky the most I would ever spend freely in my lifetime (outside say buying a home or car) would be maybe $5,000 for a vacation. This motherfucker is getting away with it because as Americans we have been blinded by capitalism and don't see the real evil it represents.

No.508221

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>>508174
I was born in poverty and stayed there for the duration of my youth.
If you're in the west and are poor, it's because you want to be poor.

No.508222

>>508216
>
If you don't have money or privilege to begin with you can only wage-slave, at least in America where you would not be able to afford or get transportation to higher education.
There is no evidence to this claim.
>b-but my life
You're the exception, teen.

No.508225

>>508222
Go ahead and say something, and I will tell you to unironically, literally, acknowledge your privilege.

Privilege that many American people never had.

If you've ever had parents, had your parents help you get anywhere work/school related, had your parents help you drive or get a car, had your parents or relatives help you in anyway

Check your privilege.

Because otherwise you'd be homeless or wage slaving and spending almost 100% of your wages on nothing but bare essential living expenses.

No.508226

>>508220
noooo you can't give your money to someone else, it's unfair!


Your mental retardation is showing again. In any case even if his patrimony is bigger that doesn't mean he can spend all this money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_liquidity

No.508227

>>508225
There are 2,604 billionaires in the world, and 55.8% of them are self-made.  That’s according to the Billionaire Census published Thursday by market research firm Wealth-X. Taken together, self-made billionaires have a total of nearly $5 trillion. Another 30.9% of billionaires made at least some of their wealth themselves, according to the report, while 13.3% inherited their wealth entirely.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/wealthx-billionaire-census-majority-of-worlds-billionaires-self-made.html#:~:text=There are 2%2C604 billionaires in,total of nearly %245 trillion.

No.508229

>>508227
Does this include people like Bill Gates who built their monopolies off their mommy gifting them contracts with IBM?

https://prospectingprofessor.blogs.com/prospecting_professor/2005/12/bills_billions_.html

No.508230

>>508227
Define self made
I doubt many on that list were orphans scrubbing bathrooms to survive

No.508233

>>508227
Wealth creates wealth. So, at best, half of billionaires haven't had their fortunes handed to them. I haven't read this thread so I can't figure out which side you're trying to argue for, but that doesn't sound good to me.

No.508244

>>508230
I don't think most of the population are orphans scrubbing bathrooms to survive too.

Your Rawlsian reasoning (implying an ignorant teen like you even know who John Rawls was) is, simply put, pathetic and shows your lack of education and brain cells.

No.508245

>>508244
Yeah yeah, insult insult insult like the teen you are.
But the reality is most of these guys were from well off families to begin with.

No.508246

nya nya meow :3

No.508247

>>508245
What's "well"? Going to college? Because lots of people do, and very, very few of them become so rich. No, they do have something that the vast majority doesn't. They are on average smart (income and IQ are extremely correlated), work harder and (why not) are luckier.

No.508248

>>508247
>They are on average smart (income and IQ are extremely correlated), work harder and (why not) are luckier.
it's like 99.9% luck and the smart and working hard is the last 0.1%

>There are 2,604 billionaires in the world

how many smart and hard working people are there in the world? I imagine it's much more than 2,604.

No.508250

>>508246
You don't need to funpost to try and ruin a thread. You do that pretty much probably by default with your crappy posting.

No.508256

>>508248
>it's like 99.9% luck and the smart and working hard is the last 0.1%
Are you actually that jealous or are you trolling? I am an incomparable homo
Just read a bit at how these guys live their lives, teen.

>how many smart and hard working people are there in the world?

It depends on how "smart" we're talking about. If we're talking about really smart, not that many.
On the other hand, the very few people who are as smart as these ~1.3k that got rich all by themselves have different goals in life. If I could dedicate my life to studying or to become the next Warren Buffet I would gladly choose studying (I'm not saying I'm as smart as him though). That's one of the reasons why Rawls and his political theory are at best incomplete: people differ not only in their opportunities and abilities, but also in their personal choices.
In fact, very few people are willing to pay the cost (sorry for the pun) to be a billionaire

No.508260

>>508256
I'm not sure why you're so invested in justifying the wealth of other people but there are multiple easy ways to refute this. Let's start with a simple one. Nearly 1/5 of the population of the world are Indian and Chinese women. What fraction of billionaires are Indian and Chinese women?

No.508261

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>>508227
Taken directly from your article, from "self-made" men.

No.508276

>>508260
>Nearly 1/5 of the population of the world are Indian and Chinese women. What fraction of billionaires are Indian and Chinese women?
Did you read my post? Let me quote it for you:
>That's one of the reasons why Rawls and his political theory are at best incomplete
I conceded here that some equality in the opportunities are important, my point is that inequality will always exist because people are not equal in their capacities and goals.
Unlike US, Europe, Japan, etc, India and China didn't develop inclusive institutions until very recently ago, they're just catching up now. You need to property rights in order to prosper just like you need public goods, even diehard libertarians like F.A. Hayek and Milton Friedman will agree on this one.
>>508261
Did you read my other post. Let me quote it for you:
>They are on average smart (income and IQ are extremely correlated), work harder and (why not) are luckier.
The Beatles and The Rolling Stones became the most successful bands of all time for a myriad of reasons. They were better than most. They were doing what the others wanted to. They trained more than the others. And they were luckier too in many ways. But even though being born in UK is rare, making so much success is even scantier, so they do have their merit.

No.508277

>>508276
The Kinks were better than both.

No.508278

>>508277
So were The Who, Led Zeppelin and many others, The Stones are not in my top 20 bands and The Beatles are not even in my top 50. I'm not talking about best, I'm talking about the greatest.

No.508280

>>508276
>They trained more than the others
This is wrong and you didn't make a single other real assertion. And you're crying about a post that says wealth is almost entirely luck, then dodging furiously when we start talking about all the factors that have to align before someone even has a chance at wealth. Get absolutely fucked, capitalist cocksucker.

No.508281

Considering that, by any metric, wealth is 100% luck and coincidence, the only real question is how much any one person should be allowed to accumulate. How much capital should society afford you - just because you had the right parents at the right place and time - with which to have power over less lucky people?

No.508288

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>>508280
>This is wrong and you didn't make a single other real assertion
Translated:
>I can't refute but maybe if I say he's wrong without explaining people won't realize that.

>And you're crying about a post that says wealth is almost entirely luck

Because it isn't.
You can't say such thing without a strong statistic model. Make a survey on the topic and run a regression. If the R2 is the most important variable on the model I'll concede.
> then dodging furiously when we start talking about all the factors that have to align before someone even has a chance at wealth.
Are you that dumb? Didn't you understand anything I've teached you? I didn't ignore the veil of ignorance at all.
>Get absolutely fucked, capitalist cocksucke
Your butthurt is showing, uneducated teen. Stop coping, it's your fault if you live on the trailer park. Because, as our conversation showed, you're outsmarted by some random dude on an animu board.

No.508289

Why are you posting here and not 4/pol/?

No.508290

>>508288
I have a professionally tested (WAIS) 128 IQ. That is the top 3% of the population.

I am broke and will be homeless in the future unless they implement UBI.

Most rich people are stupid, your chart is bullshit, there is no such thing as a self-made billionaire and 99% of millionaires aren't self-made.

Being born into anything but an orphanage or family in poverty = you're not self-made.

No.508291

>>508290
>I have a professionally tested (WAIS) 128 IQ. That is the top 3% of the population.
That's not enough to be super rich, as my image showed. I have a 132 IQ also tested professionally (WAIS) and I'll soon be a PhD. The more I study the more I realize how mediocre I am. Not even us scholars are immune to Dunning Kruger. Now, imagine you.
>b-but it's enough to be rich
Your uneducated brain should understand that social sciences are not deterministic not even Marx, even if most Marxists believe he is). The word is regression. There are exceptions. That's how you make science.
>Most rich people are stupid, your chart is bullshit, there is no such thing as a self-made billionaire and 99% of millionaires aren't self-made.
Translated:
>I-I'm sure every data ever is wrong because my narrative
Were you lying about your IQ. Because this kind of coupe is really, really bad.

>I am broke and will be homeless in the future unless they implement UBI.

I'm glad about it. That's what you deserve for being lazy.

>Being born into anything but an orphanage or family in poverty = you're not self-made.

You need to compare yourself to the average citizen. Most of people weren't born into orphanage, they are on the middle income. Again, I'm not saying the veil of ignorance doesn't exist (though you don't understand the concept as far as I see), but it's not the only principle.

No.508293

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Did somebody say billions?

No.508294

>>508291
>That's not enough to be super rich, as my image showed. I have a 132 IQ also tested professionally (WAIS) and I'll soon be a PhD.

You can't even read this basic fake chart from "pumpkinperson.com"

No.508295

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>>508294
>the chart is fake because it doesn't agree with me
A teen at his best.

No.508296

There's literally only 180 people earth worth more than 10 billion USD.

I guarantee you the average IQ of this bunch is not even 130 let alone 150.

150 is something like the top 0.000001% of the population, and no these lucky people are generally not geniuses.

https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#7e480b383d78

No.508297

Literally the fakest dumbest chart I've ever seen from son crackpot website called "pumpkinperson.com" and you're posting this shit.

No.508298

>>508296
>I guarantee you the average IQ of this bunch is not even 130 let alone 150.
Translated:
>I can't prove a shit even thought that's the date we have, but I'll pretend it's wrong because because of coping
You should read at least this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

>150 is something like the top 0.000001% of the population, and no these lucky people are generally not geniuses.

I've already adressed this topinc three or four times, if you didn't grasp it than your brain is even smaller than I thought, and that's a lot.

No.508301

>>508288
I don't have to explain a refutation to an assertion without any support, teenbro.

You seem to really be in love with IQ. Explain all the circumstances by which a person develops their IQ which aren't affected by "luck". I'll wait.

No.508302

Really love this strawman you're catching people with where somehow being born intelligent isn't lucky, though.

No.508304

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See, here's a chart explaining how people become billionaires. It doesn't say luck anywhere, does it? Fucking owned.

No.508308

>>508301
>I don't have to explain a refutation to an assertion without any support, teenbro.
Yeah, like, every academic work on the area isn't support, I am an incomparable homo. Cope harder, teen.
>Explain all the circumstances by which a person develops their IQ which aren't affected by "luck".
Explain what's "luck". I think you don't know what this word means.
>>508304
Cope.

No.508309

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>>508302
So, do you think smarter people should sustain dumber people? How about workaholics sustaining lazy people. Because those two are also are at least in part luck since genetics play a large role if with we work hard or not.
You're basically supporting slavery here.

No.508311

>>508308
Please post all the academic works you referenced on the amount of training dad rock bands did. You're smart enough to follow a conversation in plain English and realized that's what we're talking about, right? I'll keep waiting.

No.508312

what does it feel like to beat a foids face in bros

No.508313

>>508312
Completely unfair and one sided but incredibly good if they were just mouthing off to you moments before

No.508390

>>508309
the smart thing you mentioned made me sad, because what followed to create that was centuries of the lower class intentionally intoxicating themselves to kill their brains.

No.508412

>>508311
suck my cock nerdo I am an incomparable homo



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